Lords of the discussion on legal aid, conviction and punishment of offenders Bill, in which 54 peers spoke
"To those who say that most people are in need of legal assistance should have to support them when they have a serious legal problem, I agree. To those who say that people should have legal aid what they want, whenever they want, I disagree. Access to justice is not the same as the state-funded access to legal representation in court . We must do more to encourage the use of alternative, less hostile to solve their problems. "
Lord McNally , open the debate for the government
"The bill proposes that legal aid should be provided by some alleged victims of abuse in divorce proceedings and deprived children, but not the alleged perpetrator. This is almost certainly lead to allegations of abuse, including disabled people and vulnerable adults, interviewed by the defendant, creating significant risks for your comfort during the court process. "Baroness Grey-Thompson
"Today, more than 570,000 people present claims of whiplash. It is a 32 per cent over the last three years. This is the equivalent of one person every minute of every hour of every day. The number of reported claims increased by 72 percent between 2002 and 2010 as part of a 16 percent reduction in the number of traffic accidents reported to police over the last three years. Criticism has been expressed in Part 2 and the work of Sir Rupert Jackson. referring to a moment of the Transport Committee in another place, when it comes to the reference rate, which clearly showed that the system had failed because of the substantial costs now paid to companies safe "vehicle repair shops, truck drivers, rescue, landlords, credit claims and accident management companies, law firms and to medical experts. "How the hell can you do with a system that has brought this?"Lord Hunt of Wirral
"When we say we can not counsel, we need to think very carefully about whether we say we can not justice. Justice must be available in times of good and evil. Disease in time, is more necessary than ever. "
"Part 1 ... eliminates the scope of legal advice and assistance of many complex areas of law where the law is a fundamental safeguard the basic needs of most vulnerable in our community areas such as clinical negligence . The fact of the matter is this. There is no doubt that the removal of legal aid in such situations will inevitably lead to numerous allegations with no hope of being sued by litigants in person, because they have not the objective legal advice and many claims not intended or appropriate, almost as bad, but in vain pursued by litigants in person, DIY -. litigation because it is what it is - will be as effective as d an operation of medical self-made. "
"Taking clinical negligence outside the scope of legal aid will prevent a lot of people never really investigated his case, thus denying NHS key lessons to improve patient safety. This is because the high costs faced by medical experts without legal aid lawyers will cherry pick the most obvious cases like the vast majority of victims of medical negligence are injured in the hands of a body of State -.. the NHS - there is a strong moral argument that the State must ensure that these people have access to justice "
"One of the main drivers of this legislation was the Association of British Insurers. Is perceived to be of interest to see the reduction of legal aid and access for ordinary people to justice. My hope is that these efforts will be frustrated embarrassing. The House of Lords now has the opportunity to demonstrate that he prefers the interests of ordinary people rather than the powerful. "
"What do we do? We know that suffering, disappointment and cynicism to follow. We have made no attempt to calculate the financial costs in terms of social or otherwise. We know that these problems are in groups and that if a man is not given advice on the housing problem, as it is now out of reach, which can lead to an eviction order in court, which in turn lead to a lot of commitments of Social Security and welfare, such as children - you name it, tens of thousands of pounds could be involved in the recording of a pipe of a taxi or a lawyer -.. God bless you if you keep doing this kind of work do let us also that the cost of this work is to the standards of most lawyers negligible. This is a flat rate £ 150 for each case they take. A prosecutor of the city charged £ 150 for 10 or 15 minutes of your precious time. "
Lord Phillips of Sudbury
The 1972 Act introduced a system of legal advice on any matter of English law, also known as the green form system or plan of £ 25. This meant that the lawyer was available to give advice. Counseling centers and law offices came into force at the time, too, to give advice - benefits, community care, mental health, education law and so on - on the first call, when people have concerns about how something is affecting their lives. Be good, decent, committed, idealistic lawyers who have become rich, but can remain permanently in this field such advice to people. For us to be destroyed I think is crazy. "